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we're not in kansas anymore

Posted on 2005.12.21 at 13:01
Humeur actuelle: warm
Musique actuelle: Martha, My Dear
In Pennsylvania:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/evolution_debate;_ylt=Am4EGN1Ht.B1Dj5g87svrTKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Thanks to saraara, who says, "good thing there's still some logic left out there in this crazy crazy world".

Don't they make pretzels there? Well, there are some really nice things about Pennsylvania. And one of them is the somewhat prevailing tradition of Quakerism, (in addition to atheist Thomas Payne's fierce, enlightened spirit of independence). Which is one good argument for preserving a diversity of religious views in this country. Because, after all, most legal decisions, when it comes down to it, are based on moral or religious feelings and presumptions. Thank goodness those presumptions were so conducive to the logic that this country is founded on, in this case. A very encouraging precedent.

Yo - just an aside. There was an upcoming military funeral in Rockford, for a serviceman who was killed in Iraq. Some groups from Topeka, Kansas, announced that they may be travelling to protest at this poor fellow's funeral. Why? Because they believe that the deaths in Iraq are God's way of punishing us for our acceptance of homosexuality in this country. Isn't that nice? What is the problem with Kansas these days? Did Bob Dole start all this? ::madman wonders and refers to self in third-person:: And those liberals who speak out RESPECTFULLY against the war, not the soldiers, are given hell, while more soldiers die. (I'm not saying there aren't some extremely rude and hurtful liberals out there - there sure as hell are). ...Oh, Doonesbury from a couple of Sundays ago was really great... The rationale for continuing the war in Iraq was to preserve the honour of soldiers who shall die there in the future, and so on and so on...

Well, I'm experiencing Missouri, right now, which is somewhat like Kansas, from the perspective of a Northern Illinoisan. Missouri is full of very amiable yet somewhat psychically constrained people. Like they don't have permission to really succeed. I met a fellow from Missouri once, who came up to Madison looking for the "Love" there. But Madison is about a lot more than free love. Well, while I was working in a graphics studio late at night, alone, with him wandering around, this fellow shut all the blinds and walked over to me and proceeded to grind his crotch into my shoulder as I sat at my computer. I dealt with it. But this fellow, he wasn't interested in real love, he was interested in cheating on his wife. Because he had fled Missouri to escape the great moral stultifications there. So, what he was actually doing was rebelling against them. And, ironically, that's still the problem - the moralism FEEDS on those who rebel and sin against it. It's all the same package. Professing one thing, doing another, crucifying those who cheat, and cheating but trying not to get caught. That's one thing that really bothers me so much about hyper-religiousity in this country, the perpetual hypocrisy of it - the endless dividing of the social order into the good people and the bad people - the dividing of self into good and evil. And constantly going around in circles until judgement day comes around, or trying to mend one's way when one's time has come to die. Cheating.

That's really what cheating is, mainly, a rebelling against constraint, usually self-allowed constraint. Self-perpetuated. A decided failure to find the language that would dissolve the contradictions, and bring real peace and resolution.

I'd actually prefer that kids be allowed to learn about Creationism/Intelligent-Design, preferably in a comparative religions course. But the idea of FORCING them to learn this stuff as science really is an attempt to try to supplant science, that great attempt at resolving society's moral contradictions and injustices, through some communion with reality, with a return to the downwards, backwards spiral of control and rebellion. It is an attempt to cheat. It is an example and encouragement for children to cheat, on their own self-control and independence.

I believe in choosing to be spiritual.

And I also believe that this spiritual/existential drive to be free is a central impetus in our own evolution.

Comments:


panoptican at 2005-12-21 22:05 (UTC) (Lien)
I've always had a hard time comprehending the whole religious people being obsessed with sins thing. It's like these guys who obsessively watch dirty movies just to report to their fellow religiousnuts how dirty they are and how you'll go to hell for watching them. But «moralism FEEDS on those who rebel and sin against it» makes some sense now that I think about it. It still seems sort of silly to me.

Also, have you been to Kansas. The most useless state in the union. I saw the worlds largest ball of rubber bands there. Or maybe it was twine. A giant roll of rubber bands seems dangerous.
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madman101 at 2005-12-21 22:13 (UTC) (Lien)
Ha ha ha! That's so funny! Think of all the people and taxes that went into that big ball of whatever-the-hell, just to make Kansas stand out as an even more lame-ass state.

I don't think I've been there, but I could be wrong. I might have it confused with Uganda.

Yes, see, the whole contradiction thing is right there in your example. Someone should watch those guys who watch the porn, I'd say. And then REALLY go to hell! Oh no!!!
sara
saraara at 2005-12-21 22:28 (UTC) (Lien)
I'd actually prefer that kids be allowed to learn about Creationism/Intelligent-Design, preferably in a comparative religions course.

SERIOUSLY. i think we need to do a much better job of teaching our children about diversity than we do. we teach the white christian view of things, and then no one learns the rest unless they happen across some more helpful classes in college or the like. its quite pathetic.
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madman101 at 2005-12-21 22:34 (UTC) (Lien)
It's really a statement of white christian insecurity, isn't it.
Ashley
_thebitchisback at 2005-12-22 00:40 (UTC) (Lien)
thanks for the add =) from the looks of your info, you like some pretty awesome stuff. & martha my dear = amazing. ♥ =)
Ashley
_thebitchisback at 2005-12-22 00:49 (UTC) (Lien)
ps - your icon is hilarious, it made me laugh really hard lmao
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madman101 at 2005-12-25 16:52 (UTC) (Lien)
Yeps. Sometimes ya just gotta say "wtf!"
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madman101 at 2005-12-25 16:51 (UTC) (Lien)
You're very welcome! My dear!
Gen HeX
bitchblossom at 2005-12-22 06:35 (UTC) (Lien)
I'd actually prefer that kids be allowed to learn about Creationism/Intelligent-Design, preferably in a comparative religions course. But the idea of FORCING them to learn this stuff as science really is an attempt to try to supplant science, that great attempt at resolving society's moral contradictions and injustices, through some communion with reality, with a return to the downwards, backwards spiral of control and rebellion. It is an attempt to cheat. It is an example and encouragement for children to cheat, on their own self-control and independence.

thank you. that's what i say. this is in no way shape or form a scientific argument they're trying to make--it's philosophical and it's decidedly of a religious bent. ok, granted, it's philosophy regarding science, but then, so is the flying spaghetti monster. personally, i'd love to sit in on a class discussing that!!! =D
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madman101 at 2005-12-25 16:56 (UTC) (Lien)
Ha ha ha! Yes, it's actually metaphysics, in my opinion.

I've alread studied the flying spaghetti monster, and I'd say don't waste your money. It's just some thing made in Japan, copying Quezacotl, or the Easter Island bird man cult, or something.
Gen HeX
bitchblossom at 2005-12-27 00:50 (UTC) (Lien)
i just find it endlessly entertaining that it says 'pastafarians' end prayers with the word 'ramen' instead of 'amen'.

then again, i've frequently been accused of being too easily entertained. =p
Lily
satanist_whore at 2005-12-23 00:32 (UTC) (Lien)
haha i love your icon
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madman101 at 2005-12-25 16:57 (UTC) (Lien)
My icon wants you.
Sex is good, but not as good as fresh sweet corn
a_common_blow at 2005-12-23 05:45 (UTC) (Lien)
Grinding crotches -drools-
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madman101 at 2005-12-25 16:58 (UTC) (Lien)
mmmm... I dunno. He didn't give me flowers or anything. So.
Sex is good, but not as good as fresh sweet corn
a_common_blow at 2005-12-25 22:43 (UTC) (Lien)
I got flowers....from my nana's husband :/
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madman101 at 2005-12-25 23:15 (UTC) (Lien)
So sweet.
Jessica
icca421 at 2005-12-24 08:27 (UTC) (Lien)
Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!!
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madman101 at 2005-12-25 16:50 (UTC) (Lien)
Happy Holidays to you too! Thanks!
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