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curious kodama

all this never had to be

Posted on 2013.06.10 at 23:48
Sir Tim Berners-Lee, who created the [worldwide] web in 1989, described Prism as “an intrusion on basic human rights that threatens the very foundations of a democratic society.” - http://www.itproportal.com/2013/06/10/tim-berners-lee-on-prism-nsa-snooping-threatens-the-foundations-of-democracy/


"I'm cold." - Snowden, hopefully in Iceland...

Thank Snowden for taking the plunge!

btw - You notice that these famous internet whistleblowers like to find refuge with countries where there are lots of sardines? Me too! Snowden is in Hong Kong, but he really wants to be in ICELAND. And that WikiLeaks guy - Julian Assange - he tried Sweden and then sought asylum through ECUADOR! I'm telling you... these guys are so SMART and so GOOD because they like to eat lots of healthy fish oil! And that's why Northern Europe is so progressive - just like the Northwest USA - and the Northeast USA. And that's why everyone is fighting in the Middle East. Fish oil! Not crude oil! Please, support products from Ecuador and Iceland, like sardines. You'll grow a big head! Just like the alien overlords!

- 27 Edward Snowden Quotes About U.S. Government Spying That Should Send A Chill Up Your Spine
- Snowden's father is worried
- Edward Snowden? Why Whistle-Blowers Leak Info

It's a LIBERTARIAN thing...
[Salon.com] Doom because apparently the only people willing to stand up for freedom are those that have a worldview so completely fucked that they would ultimately make things worse. Snowden believed the capitalist fairy tale that Hong Kong is a near utopia, and then failed to note that it has an extradition agreement with the US; it will be interesting to see how that turns out for him. He also employs that typically Randian definition of "self-interest" which is supposed to be free of empathy (if we look to Rand herself to define it) yet seems to mean exactly empathy the way it is employed by most libertarians. He blames the government solely for the violations of our privacy and yet fails to note that the work is being carried out by private subcontractors like the one he works for, and apparently he has no problem with the private corporations that collected the information in the first place. If only he had included a 70-page speech on the ultimate triumph of the "ideal man". In short, if this guy represents the heroes that have come to save us, we will be descending into a libertarian utopia that will make Orwell's 1984 look merciful. Still, its nice that someone did something. - Edward Snowden: A libertarian hero - (credits to here: http://so-very-doomed.livejournal.com/857876.html ) - (where have you heard that before... hmmm??? - - - Hey! They're saying, "Randian," now! I might have started that term!! I am very important!)

- btw - Hong Kong has some exceptions in its extraditions policy vis-a-vis USA, and I believe Snowden might have been going for such. I don't think this wasn't thought out ahead of time, yo. He might only be passing through Hong Kong. Maybe getting a pay-off or something. From the aliens...

Cutting edge: ALIEN-TECH!

How Has The U.S. Government Been Getting User Data From Major Internet Companies?


bobby1933 at 2013-06-11 14:26 (UTC) (Lien)

Tragic, but probably true

apparently the only people willing to stand up for freedom are those that have a worldview so completely fucked that they would ultimately make things worse.

Yeah! But then, maybe its time to redefine "stand up for freedom?"
where hypotheses come to die
madman101 at 2013-06-12 02:37 (UTC) (Lien)

Re: Tragic, but probably true

You might be right - and we don't necessarilly know the real reason(s) why he did what he did - could be just more conspiracy.

But I'd prefer to think he was just being a normal sensible person like you or me, doing what comes naturally and right. And what dif if he made $$$ or whatever.

Lately, I have been seeing how so many things have double or triple reasons or causes or explanations, which may even seem to contradict... Hoping to do a post on this when I can... But, shake down these dif meanings, add them together, and they just spell:

"human being" - right? we're just human beings.
bobby1933 at 2013-06-16 17:13 (UTC) (Lien)

Re: Tragic, but probably true

I wasn't specifically thinking about Snowden when i made my comment. Actually i think that he might be a decent guy, a very decent guy. It is the "reasons of state" which are horrendous and meet my definition of evil.
where hypotheses come to die
madman101 at 2013-06-16 22:39 (UTC) (Lien)

Re: Tragic, but probably true

i absolutely agree with you - and my post is a bit confusing in regards to where i stand relevant to your point

however, good people do fall into reinforcing bad or evil structures unwittingly. for a kind of example: our approval rating for congress is about 10%, but most people say they are fairly OK with their own congressperson.

while on the subject of polls, (just for the record in this post), NPR's "On the Media" had a pretty good show today - much on the nsa and the spying issue. this included a point which i didn't catch all of: polls have been spouted, on schedule, saying that "most americans are OK with the nsa-type programs. in fact, actual polls of true "ordinary people" really indicate otherwise.

also for the record herein: alex jones - sunday - included a major point i have been aching to post about: a most central form for metadata analysis is in PATTERN RECOGNITION - wherein trends in society can be estimated, and then individuals fitting specific profiles within these patterns may then be targeted because they are predicted to be most POSSIBLE to commit crimes in the future. that is vastly unconstitutional. even beyond the issuance of blanket military home-search warrants, which the founding fathers adamantly opposed.
bobby1933 at 2013-06-19 00:44 (UTC) (Lien)

Re: Tragic, but probably true

Yeah, data mining can be used for all kinds of purposes including the control of populations. When the state becomes the dominant institutions (as it always is when it exists) all techniques and strategies are put into its service. Unless science can be (almost) totally independent of state control, it will be used mostly for harm. This is true of other institutions as well (family, economy, education, religion, etc.) But science especially, cannot be science when it is state controlled because it is supposed to be objective and unbiased.
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