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Before you check any of this out, be sure to disabuse yourself of any conventional prejudice that Neandertals were a mentally deficient, "cave-man" (sub)species. They had larger brains than our own, and they used some different ways of thinking or operating. We should CHERISH that such an amazing fellow (sub)species existed on Earth, so recently. And we should appreciate that we share most of the same genes, while some human populations even share some UNIQUELY Neandertal genes.

However, it should be noted that a failure of some babies in our (homo sapiens sapiens) (sub)species to move through the non-Neandertal "budding/globalising" phase need not be solely attributed to acquisition of dominant Neandertal genes, (related to these processes). First, such genes may be expressed on their own, OR they may be expressed through the introduction of some toxin, perhaps mercury - and/or by some immune system activating event, such as a reaction to some vaccine. Many vaccines do contain adjuvants, which deliberately activate the immune system, AND SO FORTH.

ALSO, Neandertal genes need not be expressed or even present for some immune or neurological event to retard proper brain development, such as via the introduction of neurotoxins, organophosphates, nerve gas or nerve gas "inoculators," etc. Some of these intruders, and immune hyperactivation itself, can retard the functioning of acetylcholine, which is a fundamental and "gating" neurotransmitter, and so of GABA or Norepinephrin. That is to say that toxins or allergens or viruses may evoke the same deficiency in parietal, cerebellar and temporal lobe development.

Therefore, it may often be wrong to conclude that Neandertals were only able to speak a "language" based on bird calls, etc., based on behaviour of some autistics - because unlike a pure genetic deficiency, most autistics, in my opinion, are dealing with the cognitive and emotional disruptions, or NOISE, caused by the dramatic influence of immune cytokines and immunoglobulins, and/or toxins directly, and/or disruptions in cholinergic function and gating. All of these in turn affect such processings as via serotinin, dopamine, etc. (But that doesn't mean (SSRI, etc.) anti-depressants are a proper therapy!)

Further, such disruptions may also cause, or be associated with, thyroid problems and attendant fatigue and heart problems; adrenal problems and/or catacholamine harm to the brain, and/or neurodegenrative disorders, possibly CFS-like or Alzheimers-like.

Similarly, it would be a mistake to conclude that all autistics are exhibiting cognitive processes or behaviour closely similar to Neandertals. For one thing, digestive tract dysregulation, (e.g.), cannot be ignored.

Of course, there is a vast range of symptoms and benefits along the "autism" spectrum. Many with Aspergers are talented and delightful people. It is possible I am slightly autistic, like LOTS of people. Autistic people may be better adapted to whatever future towards which we may be sailing - who knows? Similarly, Neandertals may also have been merely "different," but amazing geniuses in some of their own ways.

Finally, I am not saying that I endorse the Neandertal-Autism hypothesis. But I do think it is interesting and important and possibly relevant. Here are some links...

Neandertal Brains Developed More Like Chimps'

Neandertal brain development


Multifactoral! Nutrition can CHANGE YOUR LIFE! - also here http://www.marthaherbert.org

Mercury, etc.




Today's post by an LJ friend... "The last Neanderthals."

Neandertal sex with "humans" 1

Neandertal sex with "humans" 2

Legend of the CRYSTAL SKULLS - 1

Legend of the CRYSTAL SKULLS - 2

Shop for your own skull

Yale's infamous N.W.O. "Skull & Bones" Society built upon the bones of Geronimo. So goes the conquest of "The West..."


I am supposed to eventually do a post about this nefarious secret society, etc., but I've been having problems with my publisher. Me.


liveonearth at 2012-04-15 03:51 (UTC) (Lien)
Looks like a lot of interesting stuff here. No time to surf right now, but I'm interested, esp in your synthesis views as you have been digesting this for a while.
bobby1933 at 2012-04-15 06:09 (UTC) (Lien)

Homo sapiens neanderthalis and homo sapiens sapiens.

Is there any any evidence of extensive interbreeding between Neanderthal people and modern humans? I have heard somewhere that what little data we have says no.

Frankly i don't think i would mind having some Neanderthal ancestors provided they didn't make me stand out too much in a crowd. Incidentally, who is that cute little girl in the picture?

I suspect that we pay a price for our "humanity" just as we have paid a price for every evolutionary and cultural change. Were the advantages worth the cost? Do we ever even ask?

I was never big on applying architectural design principles to human biology or biological principles to human psychology or psychological prinicples to social questions. I do suspect however, that when we become large marine mammals our behaviors and attitudes will probably change somewhat.
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bobby1933 at 2012-04-15 16:40 (UTC) (Lien)

Re: Homo sapiens neanderthalis and homo sapiens sapiens.

No, we did not evolve from Neanderthals. It is my understanding the paleoanthropologists and other experts think that we were separate species which branched off from a common ancestor a million plus years ago. That common ancestor has never been identified.
eileanach at 2012-04-15 16:43 (UTC) (Lien)

Re: Homo sapiens neanderthalis and homo sapiens sapiens.

The missing link perhaps?
bobby1933 at 2012-04-15 18:28 (UTC) (Lien)

Re: Homo sapiens neanderthalis and homo sapiens sapiens.

Perhaps, but i always thought that "missing link" referred to the link between apes and hominids. That link was broken much earlier (10+million years ago?) and will be much harder to find. Paleontologists think in terms of geological eras rather than years so i (who think in years) find them hard to follow. Bur it was a long, long time ago that hominids and apes went their separate ways, I''ve seen some informative charts showing how the various species branched off.
bobby1933 at 2012-04-15 19:39 (UTC) (Lien)

Re: Homo sapiens neanderthalis and homo sapiens sapiens.

Chimps and humans went their separate ways about 6 to 8 million years ago. Homo sapiens Neanderthalis originated somewhere in Eurasia about 200 thousand years ago; homo sapiens sapiens originated in southeastern Africa at about the same time. They did not have an immediate common ancestor. I'm guessing that our common ancestor lived between five and one million years ago, probably closer to the later date.
where hypotheses come to die
madman101 at 2012-04-16 04:59 (UTC) (Lien)

Re: Homo sapiens neanderthalis and homo sapiens sapiens.

sorry - very sick today

the little girl apparently is supposed to be a Neandertal - i think the most non-sapiens/s aspect might be the wide nose bridge - but still

all i know is that i dated girls who looked like her and they were all insane
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